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		<title>By: Phoebe</title>
		<link>http://www.phoebenorth.com/2010/05/04/body-image-and-truth-and-teaser-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-348</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 18:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Just look at how John Edwards was ridiculed over a short video clip where he was having his hair done. That wouldn&#8217;t have happened to a woman. Yet, it&#8217;s not as if he had an option of just not caring. Men are between a rock and a hard place: if they care about their hair (for example), they&#8217;re subject to ridicule that would never be applied to women &#8212; but if their hair looks bad, they&#8217;ll also suffer.&lt;/i&gt; 
 
I don&#039;t know, John. The minimum amount of grooming and fretting that women are &lt;i&gt;supposed&lt;/i&gt; to do in our society to look socially passable is pretty high, unfortunately. I mean, look at Janice&#039;s comments here about her facebook photos and how she has to gussy herself up. I&#039;m not minimizing the pressures men feel, by any means, but in our society (more so in some geographic areas than others) there&#039;s a very high level of maintenance--make-up, dieting, shaved legs, well-maintained nails and complexion--that&#039;s necessary to even leave the house. I read an article somewhere once about how every choice a woman makes regarding her appearance (even if it&#039;s to forgo maintaining her appearance) makes a strong &lt;i&gt;political&lt;/i&gt; statement, that every choice a woman makes about her appearance is assumed to say something about her philosophy or sexuality or &lt;em&gt;whatever&lt;/em&gt;. This, I think, is really the reason women talk about it more, and why it&#039;s more acceptable. They&#039;re immersed in it, at all times. The monologue is constant and takes up a surprising amount of time and effort. 
 
Men&#039;s choices make statements about their philosophies or social status or job or what not, too, but often these are muted statements, and there&#039;s a lot more wiggle room. My husband will go months at a time without shaving his beard, and that does not become a statement about his sexuality or political alignment or socioeconomic status. The same can&#039;t be said about, say, my deciding whether or not to cut my hair short, or brush it. 
 
(The husband doesn&#039;t even own a comb!) 
 
That&#039;s not to say that I can&#039;t see what you&#039;re getting at: these pressures and insecurities are universal. I just don&#039;t know if it&#039;s so weighted with men, and if the onslaught comes from all directions, and constantly, as it does with women. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Just look at how John Edwards was ridiculed over a short video clip where he was having his hair done. That wouldn&rsquo;t have happened to a woman. Yet, it&rsquo;s not as if he had an option of just not caring. Men are between a rock and a hard place: if they care about their hair (for example), they&rsquo;re subject to ridicule that would never be applied to women &mdash; but if their hair looks bad, they&rsquo;ll also suffer.</i> </p>
<p>I don&#039;t know, John. The minimum amount of grooming and fretting that women are <i>supposed</i> to do in our society to look socially passable is pretty high, unfortunately. I mean, look at Janice&#039;s comments here about her facebook photos and how she has to gussy herself up. I&#039;m not minimizing the pressures men feel, by any means, but in our society (more so in some geographic areas than others) there&#039;s a very high level of maintenance&#8211;make-up, dieting, shaved legs, well-maintained nails and complexion&#8211;that&#039;s necessary to even leave the house. I read an article somewhere once about how every choice a woman makes regarding her appearance (even if it&#039;s to forgo maintaining her appearance) makes a strong <i>political</i> statement, that every choice a woman makes about her appearance is assumed to say something about her philosophy or sexuality or <em>whatever</em>. This, I think, is really the reason women talk about it more, and why it&#039;s more acceptable. They&#039;re immersed in it, at all times. The monologue is constant and takes up a surprising amount of time and effort. </p>
<p>Men&#039;s choices make statements about their philosophies or social status or job or what not, too, but often these are muted statements, and there&#039;s a lot more wiggle room. My husband will go months at a time without shaving his beard, and that does not become a statement about his sexuality or political alignment or socioeconomic status. The same can&#039;t be said about, say, my deciding whether or not to cut my hair short, or brush it. </p>
<p>(The husband doesn&#039;t even own a comb!) </p>
<p>That&#039;s not to say that I can&#039;t see what you&#039;re getting at: these pressures and insecurities are universal. I just don&#039;t know if it&#039;s so weighted with men, and if the onslaught comes from all directions, and constantly, as it does with women.</p>
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		<title>By: jaltcoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaltcoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 16:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I&#039;m not saying the fact that the conversations happen more among women than men *helps* women. I think the norm of women being as openly critical about their appearance as they are is a pretty bad thing overall. I&#039;m saying it skews the evidence about what&#039;s actually going on in men&#039;s and women&#039;s heads. My point is directed at objective commentators like you and me; it&#039;s not meant to be a consolation to women in general. 
 
Also, even if the question is who is in a better position, it&#039;s not obvious to me whether women or men are better off. Everyone -- not just women -- is held to high standards about appearance. It matters for everyone. But men aren&#039;t allowed to even mention it, let alone complain about it. Just look at how John Edwards was ridiculed over a short video clip where he was having his hair done. That wouldn&#039;t have happened to a woman. Yet, it&#039;s not as if he had an option of just not caring. Men are between a rock and a hard place: if they care about their hair (for example), they&#039;re subject to ridicule that would never be applied to women -- but if their hair looks bad, they&#039;ll also suffer. 
 
Women at least have an *open possibility* to aspire to the happy medium you&#039;re describing in this post. I would submit that it&#039;s not as available to men. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#039;m not saying the fact that the conversations happen more among women than men *helps* women. I think the norm of women being as openly critical about their appearance as they are is a pretty bad thing overall. I&#039;m saying it skews the evidence about what&#039;s actually going on in men&#039;s and women&#039;s heads. My point is directed at objective commentators like you and me; it&#039;s not meant to be a consolation to women in general. </p>
<p>Also, even if the question is who is in a better position, it&#039;s not obvious to me whether women or men are better off. Everyone &#8212; not just women &#8212; is held to high standards about appearance. It matters for everyone. But men aren&#039;t allowed to even mention it, let alone complain about it. Just look at how John Edwards was ridiculed over a short video clip where he was having his hair done. That wouldn&#039;t have happened to a woman. Yet, it&#039;s not as if he had an option of just not caring. Men are between a rock and a hard place: if they care about their hair (for example), they&#039;re subject to ridicule that would never be applied to women &#8212; but if their hair looks bad, they&#039;ll also suffer. </p>
<p>Women at least have an *open possibility* to aspire to the happy medium you&#039;re describing in this post. I would submit that it&#039;s not as available to men.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoebe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 16:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you&#039;re right, of course. Productive, positive conversations about body image are rare enough, though, that I&#039;m not sure if the social acceptableness of the conversations are really a plus. Often, it just ends up being &quot;I hate my butt,&quot; &quot;I hate my thighs,&quot; and so cyclic and intensifying. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you&#039;re right, of course. Productive, positive conversations about body image are rare enough, though, that I&#039;m not sure if the social acceptableness of the conversations are really a plus. Often, it just ends up being &quot;I hate my butt,&quot; &quot;I hate my thighs,&quot; and so cyclic and intensifying.</p>
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		<title>By: jaltcoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaltcoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 16:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do all women&#8211;do all people?&#8211;feel like this about themselves, to varying degrees? Do we all think we need to be fixed, hidden?&quot; 
 
It&#039;s not just women. You just hear women *talking* about it more because they&#039;re allowed to. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Do all women&ndash;do all people?&ndash;feel like this about themselves, to varying degrees? Do we all think we need to be fixed, hidden?&quot; </p>
<p>It&#039;s not just women. You just hear women *talking* about it more because they&#039;re allowed to.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
		<link>http://www.phoebenorth.com/2010/05/04/body-image-and-truth-and-teaser-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-344</link>
		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 18:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s good advice, I think I&#039;ll try it.  I never really thought of it as an honesty issue, but I guess it is in a way. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s good advice, I think I&#039;ll try it.  I never really thought of it as an honesty issue, but I guess it is in a way.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoebe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 15:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, Janice. I think, like any other anxiety-related thing, part of it is just jumping in. I decided a few years ago that I would no longer untag photos of myself on facebook. I&#039;m not sure why, but it just felt important to me to be honest about my appearance to others (of course, an old roommate claimed that was &quot;easy&quot; for me because I&#039;m in a relationship; it&#039;s definitely NOT easy when you&#039;re feeling down about the way you look, which definitely happens to me.) To a certain extent, it comes down to pretending to be who you want to be. I want to be perceived as a happy person who&#039;s comfortable with myself, even if I don&#039;t always feel it, because I know that the more I hide, the worse I feel. So I fake it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, Janice. I think, like any other anxiety-related thing, part of it is just jumping in. I decided a few years ago that I would no longer untag photos of myself on facebook. I&#039;m not sure why, but it just felt important to me to be honest about my appearance to others (of course, an old roommate claimed that was &quot;easy&quot; for me because I&#039;m in a relationship; it&#039;s definitely NOT easy when you&#039;re feeling down about the way you look, which definitely happens to me.) To a certain extent, it comes down to pretending to be who you want to be. I want to be perceived as a happy person who&#039;s comfortable with myself, even if I don&#039;t always feel it, because I know that the more I hide, the worse I feel. So I fake it.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 02:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. That&#039;s one of the things that I like the most about you, you have so many pictures of yourself and you always look like you&#039;re having fun in them.  I can not take a picture of myself. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. That&#039;s one of the things that I like the most about you, you have so many pictures of yourself and you always look like you&#039;re having fun in them.  I can not take a picture of myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice</title>
		<link>http://www.phoebenorth.com/2010/05/04/body-image-and-truth-and-teaser-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator>Janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 02:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked this post a lot but it also made me so, so sad because I could never, ever have the balls to post a picture of myself without makeup or anything.  I had the usual body issues in high school, &quot;normal&quot; quirks, but now I am so unspeakably self-conscious it&#039;s like a nightmare.  It took me TWO HOURS to take my profile picture for Facebook because I just kept deciding they were ugly when they all looked exactly the same. Normal and pretty-quirky.  I have no clue how to fix this.  :/ </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked this post a lot but it also made me so, so sad because I could never, ever have the balls to post a picture of myself without makeup or anything.  I had the usual body issues in high school, &quot;normal&quot; quirks, but now I am so unspeakably self-conscious it&#039;s like a nightmare.  It took me TWO HOURS to take my profile picture for Facebook because I just kept deciding they were ugly when they all looked exactly the same. Normal and pretty-quirky.  I have no clue how to fix this.  :/</p>
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		<title>By: Phoebe</title>
		<link>http://www.phoebenorth.com/2010/05/04/body-image-and-truth-and-teaser-tuesday/comment-page-1/#comment-340</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 23:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, I missed that--I&#039;ll take a look! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, I missed that&#8211;I&#039;ll take a look!</p>
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		<title>By: Phoebe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 23:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, thanks--that&#039;s sweet. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, thanks&#8211;that&#039;s sweet. <img src='http://www.phoebenorth.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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